[melkjug-dev] tweetdeck

[Sonali Sridhar]

Does this little hover for your tool options. Something to think about?
When you hover on the image of the twitterer you get this below.

[Christopher Patterson]

This actually dovetails with an idea I've been kicking around - I'd
love to use the "star" mechanism as a way to draw users deeper into
the site.

Specifically, I think it'd be nice to expose how many users have
starred a given item (and show who those users are, to help folks find
users they might be interested in following).

I also think that we ought to consider adding profile images to
melkjug, to put a more engaging face on the other folks using this
tool. Gravatars are pretty simple to implement, and key off of email
address, which we already require for users.

Chris

Post by Sonali Sridhar
Does this little hover for your tool options. Something to think about?
When you hover on the image of the twitterer you get this below.
<Picture 10.png>

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[Luke Tucker]

Post by Christopher Patterson
This actually dovetails with an idea I've been kicking around - I'd
love to use the "star" mechanism as a way to draw users deeper into
the site.
Specifically, I think it'd be nice to expose how many users have
starred a given item (and show who those users are, to help folks
find users they might be interested in following).

I like this idea. I think it could also eventually grow into being a
place to expose recommended users -- ie for now, we just show some
little random sample of who starred it, but later that could be a more
intelligent sample. If we allow paging through them all, replace
sample with sort order :)

It also reminds me that right now there are some interesting things
you can do with starred items, but they require far too much
creativity and too many workflow steps to accomplish. For a simple
example, maybe we should have something like this be configured by
default when you start:

* always subscribed to the starred items of anyone you follow
* always starts with a slider for "starred items of people I follow"
* possibly always starts out following somebody (? like how tom is
always your friend on myspace when you start)

I'd also like to think about how starred items and following /
followers fit together from a more idealized perspective that's
divorced from how it works now. What would everyone's ideal way of
working with these be?

Post by Christopher Patterson
I also think that we ought to consider adding profile images to
melkjug, to put a more engaging face on the other folks using this
tool. Gravatars are pretty simple to implement, and key off of email
address, which we already require for users.

Yeah this could be an easy win. I'd also like to see a reworking of
the follower / following presentation and workflow. My feeling on
this is that twitter basically has it right. Present some sampling
for other users to use for discovery, show the full list paged
elsewhere with search.

- Luke


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[Sonali Sridhar]

Post by Luke Tucker

Post by Christopher Patterson
This actually dovetails with an idea I've been kicking around -
I'd love to use the "star" mechanism as a way to draw users deeper
into the site.
Specifically, I think it'd be nice to expose how many users have
starred a given item (and show who those users are, to help folks
find users they might be interested in following).

I like this idea. I think it could also eventually grow into being
a place to expose recommended users -- ie for now, we just show some
little random sample of who starred it, but later that could be a
more intelligent sample. If we allow paging through them all,
replace sample with sort order :)
It also reminds me that right now there are some interesting things
you can do with starred items, but they require far too much
creativity and too many workflow steps to accomplish. For a simple
example, maybe we should have something like this be configured by
* always subscribed to the starred items of anyone you follow
* always starts with a slider for "starred items of people I follow"
* possibly always starts out following somebody (? like how tom is
always your friend on myspace when you start)
I'd also like to think about how starred items and following /
followers fit together from a more idealized perspective that's
divorced from how it works now. What would everyone's ideal way of
working with these be?

I think the Delicious model of "popular bookmarks" hits this really
well. I like how simple and potentially "academic" Delicious stays
with their interface. Again - we can stick to a pure numbers game with
the starring. I am attaching the visual of Hypemachine and Delicious
for those in this list who are not on them.

[Luke Tucker]

Post by Luke Tucker
Yeah this could be an easy win. I'd also like to see a reworking
of the follower / following presentation and workflow. My feeling
on this is that twitter basically has it right. Present some
sampling for other users to use for discovery, show the full list
paged elsewhere with search.

I would be weary of this - remember Melkjug is yet not about the
friend making and finding. Its about the reading - we should get
that step right before making it a social portal. All the hooks
might be in for that but people can get tired of seeing "yet another
social network". We might want to bring out the power of the network
in more subtle manners rather than pictures.
Its important for us to hone in on the sliders and that experience.
No one is doing that too well right now. FB is but in terms of
managing ones taste(its buried). We have a HUGE potential to get
that nailed. Lets not make it a social network right from the start
- if it calls for it we can slowly open that up (but we need
critical mass for that to happen)

True true, I wholly agree -- it's not the core idea and we shouldn't
go too far down that road. I bring up twitter because I think twitter
is about as lightweight as you get unless you're suggesting we drop
follower/following altogether (always a possibility too...) Even
barring that, my concern is that we need to do away with the extremely-
long-lists-of-text in the sidebars for the things we already present.
I think the grid presentation of a slice of that data with that
twitter is maybe a better model. I'm open to better solutions too... :D

- Luke

[Christopher Patterson]

Post by Luke Tucker

Post by Luke Tucker
Yeah this could be an easy win. I'd also like to see a reworking
of the follower / following presentation and workflow. My feeling
on this is that twitter basically has it right. Present some
sampling for other users to use for discovery, show the full list
paged elsewhere with search.

I would be weary of this - remember Melkjug is yet not about the
friend making and finding. Its about the reading - we should get
that step right before making it a social portal. All the hooks
might be in for that but people can get tired of seeing "yet
another social network". We might want to bring out the power of
the network in more subtle manners rather than pictures.

Sure - I'm not advocating turning melkjug into an also-ran social
network - but I do think that it's a shortcoming right now that we
don't expose *any* information about what's popular (or any good
mechanism for finding new feeds you might be interested in reading).

Post by Luke Tucker

Its important for us to hone in on the sliders and that experience.
No one is doing that too well right now. FB is but in terms of
managing ones taste(its buried). We have a HUGE potential to get
that nailed. Lets not make it a social network right from the start
- if it calls for it we can slowly open that up (but we need
critical mass for that to happen)

I agree that tuning a feed is fundamental to what makes melkjug an
interesting space.

Post by Luke Tucker
True true, I wholly agree -- it's not the core idea and we shouldn't
go too far down that road. I bring up twitter because I think
twitter is about as lightweight as you get unless you're suggesting
we drop follower/following altogether (always a possibility too...)
Even barring that, my concern is that we need to do away with the
extremely-long-lists-of-text in the sidebars for the things we
already present. I think the grid presentation of a slice of that
data with that twitter is maybe a better model. I'm open to better
solutions too... :D

Along these lines, I think we should enable collapsing the "News
Sources" list of feeds (perhaps collapsed by default?) - for cases
with more than a handful of feeds, that becomes a lot of visual clutter.

Post by Luke Tucker
- Luke

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[Sonali Sridhar]

Post by Christopher Patterson

Post by Luke Tucker

Post by Luke Tucker
Yeah this could be an easy win. I'd also like to see a reworking
of the follower / following presentation and workflow. My
feeling on this is that twitter basically has it right. Present
some sampling for other users to use for discovery, show the full
list paged elsewhere with search.

I would be weary of this - remember Melkjug is yet not about the
friend making and finding. Its about the reading - we should get
that step right before making it a social portal. All the hooks
might be in for that but people can get tired of seeing "yet
another social network". We might want to bring out the power of
the network in more subtle manners rather than pictures.

Sure - I'm not advocating turning melkjug into an also-ran social
network - but I do think that it's a shortcoming right now that we
don't expose *any* information about what's popular (or any good
mechanism for finding new feeds you might be interested in reading).

Agreed - provide fodder

Post by Christopher Patterson

Post by Luke Tucker

Its important for us to hone in on the sliders and that
experience. No one is doing that too well right now. FB is but in
terms of managing ones taste(its buried). We have a HUGE potential
to get that nailed. Lets not make it a social network right from
the start - if it calls for it we can slowly open that up (but we
need critical mass for that to happen)

I agree that tuning a feed is fundamental to what makes melkjug an
interesting space.

Post by Luke Tucker
True true, I wholly agree -- it's not the core idea and we
shouldn't go too far down that road. I bring up twitter because I
think twitter is about as lightweight as you get unless you're
suggesting we drop follower/following altogether (always a
possibility too...) Even barring that, my concern is that we need
to do away with the extremely-long-lists-of-text in the sidebars
for the things we already present. I think the grid presentation
of a slice of that data with that twitter is maybe a better model.
I'm open to better solutions too... :D

Along these lines, I think we should enable collapsing the "News
Sources" list of feeds (perhaps collapsed by default?) - for cases
with more than a handful of feeds, that becomes a lot of visual clutter.

also something in trac that helps is some form of color coding. All
news feeds are some color and all entertainment feeds etc... now i am
just throwing it out there without really pondering over it. But lets
make a plan to work on some of this? Next week?
s

Post by Christopher Patterson

Post by Luke Tucker
- Luke

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[Joshua Bronson]

now i am just throwing it out there without really pondering over it. But
lets make a plan to work on some of this? Next week?

I've captured some of the good stuff in this thread in a couple tickets:

http://trac.openplans.org/melkjug/ticket/406 (rework followers workflow)
http://trac.openplans.org/melkjug/ticket/407 (rework reader sidebar)